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Aeva Media / Re: [Announcement] Fork you, SMF!
« on: 25 March 2011 0h25 »
I say fork IE6, in this day and age I cant believe its still in use. Seriously people you've had enough time to update your in house software to use modern browsers. Get with the program or get left behind.

I didn't use to be a fan of WebKit but since they are proving to be the pioneer of HTML5 I'm gaining a new respect for it. 

Aeva Media / Re: [Announcement] Fork you, SMF!
« on: 18 March 2011 5h03 »
Thats what I thought I had seen about [Unknown] on the friends site. Ill even admit he probably has more experience but looking at all the support you gave to the community on top of all the code you put into the project as well as all of your own mods...

I think it comes down to passion. In your hay day at SMF, which really wasn't all that long ago reminds me and many others of [Unknown] during the early days of SMF and even Yabb SE. Ive spent a lot of time reading the older boards trying to learn as much as I can to make myself a better programmer. Your commitment to the community and the project are pretty similar.

Not to slight Nao or many of the others that have worked on SMF and supported the community. I have a deep respect for most of those that have been part of the development team and some that have just been part of the community. Well, there have been a few that I cant believe have ever been allowed on the team.. Ok Ill hush  :niark:

None the less, you Arantor, for a long time, I swore you could not be human. Add to the fact that sometimes your brand of help can be overly direct and a bit abrasive (yes I now know that it was due to burn out)... You just had to be a machine!  :D

There was a time not so long ago my friends had me thinking I was some sort of genius if not a web god. Many people I knew at the time and some even now use those WYSIWYG php builders like Front Page. They were amazed that I actually was writing in HTML and I had enough perl knowledge at the time that I could easily bend Yabb to my will. Then I got involved with SMF and saw what many of the rest of you know and can do... Ever since I have been extremely humbled.

Not fishing for a complement there. If the only true knowledge is in knowing you know nothing, I'm at least smart enough to know I'm just a hair above moron. There are times that even that much is debatable too.  :-/

Aeva Media / Re: [Announcement] Fork you, SMF!
« on: 18 March 2011 2h18 »
Yep it was a damn shame what happened with SMF, the things that led to Arantor and several others leaving the project.

Seems to me the only person that might be more knowledgeable about SMF is Mr Brackets. He kinda floats in and out of SMF or rather did before the mess. I'm not sure how close he is to the current code. None the less and with good reason Arantor is often compared to the father of SMF.

I like to think of it this way. Zef Hemel is the Grand daddy, [Unknown] would be the father, and Arantor is the prodigal son.  :D

Aeva Media / Re: [Announcement] Fork you, SMF!
« on: 12 March 2011 15h20 »
The question has been raised somewhere else on Noisen as to whether Project X (can't use its real name here) can any longer be considered a fork of SMF or whether it now exists in its own right? If something is 'based on' or 'inspired by' does that make it a fork along with all the legal hoo-hah in having to wait until SMF 2.0 Gold is finally released?
It really depends on how much code SMF can come in and say that's the same code we have. The closer it is to theirs the worse it is for this project at least under the current license.

Then if it were to go to court its a also a matter of how the judge feels about similarities. "This is almost the same as our code" or "you can see this is a direct derivative of our code". Granted its php and a lot of the code will end up looking similar to someone that doesn't really know what they are doing.

Even the friends project was worried about that and they were going to be more like a CMS with a forum included. With all of them having worked on SMF at various points its bound that some of the code could be questionable and questionable is enough to land you in court. Even if you win it can easily become expensive enough to bankrupt you even if you win.

Bottom line is that the US legal system is really fickle and it potentially becomes a big nightmare under the current SMF license. Once its changed its a totally different story.

For the future of this project its probably best to be private till the license change.

Aeva Media / Re: [Announcement] Fork you, SMF!
« on: 10 March 2011 18h25 »
I can't believe how long it took me to stumble upon this. Well since I took a long break from SMF myself, its not too surprising. The main reason I went back there was because I picked up a new client that really wanted a forum and unfortunately I haven't found an alternative I like. I was doing some research for something when I found Nao's signature linking to this.

I never liked the politics (especially what is seen publicly) at SMF. When the excrement hit the fan over a year I was all excited about the project the "SMF Friends" (I prefer ex-patriots) had in the works. The concept of it being a core code to which everything else would plug into seemed perfect to me. Unfortunately that project seems to have died almost as quickly as it started. The project site was down more then it was up which led to me losing my interest in it and last I knew over half the people that were initially committed to it did as well.

It is my belief the mods, plug-ins, extentions, etc should rarely and preferably never have to modify the core code to work. It just opens the door to extra bugs and incompatibility. It looks like this project seems to hold that philosophy too. I like that a lot.

After reading this thread beginning to end I really like what I'm seeing. After all the changes you two have made can it truly be called a fork at this point. [Unknown] may have had Yabb in mind when he was working on his "secret code" but by the time SMF was released it was truly something different. Without seeing your code, what I'm hearing/reading seems to be well on its way to being something very different from SMF.

As far as those concerned about mods, they are in the end simply mods. If the original authors of those mods dont get behind this project, there are plenty of other people that would be willing to recreate the functionality of those mods. I can already think of several that I use on a regular basis that I will be interested in porting over, if I like the finished product.

I can't wait to see the project once you guys make it public. I have spent enough time looking at the work you two have done over at SMF to know that this will find acceptance way beyond just the two of you.

Good luck and thank you, from all of us who have been disenchanted with SMF for the last few years.

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